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On the weekend of July 28th and 29th of 2001, we decided to have a “big chill” party at our house. Witness friends came from all over the country. Washington and Oregon. Gracie Frazier came in from Reno. All of our old Witness friends were invited.

It would be the last Jehovah’s Witness gathering I would ever attend. It would be the last time I ever saw most of my Jehovah’s Witness friends.

I didn’t know it at the time but it turned out to be my going away party.

After fifty years it was time to make the biggest decision of my life. There was a thousand things that could not be ignored anymore. It was all pointing to just one thing. Blue or red pill.

The weekend was pretty uneventful. There was some good rap sections and plenty of great music and food.

In one of the rap sections I happen to mention to some who were elders I thought the church was losing their grip on the young people. Which if you look at their numbers it seems to be going in that direction.

I talked about how our children were not buying the program like our generation did. How many years can you hype Armageddon is coming. Especially now that the society has changed their stance on the year 1914. The truth is the 1914 generation is all but gone.

Of course my “speech was shocking.” To come right out and say the society was having problems was an abomination! It was like telling Hitler the war was lost in 1945. It might be thought but never mentioned.

No one came to me but they did go to my wife Debbie. I have no idea what they said to her. I can only imagine. How could I speak against the Fuhrer and the organization!

It’s funny but on Friday before the party she was acting very strange. It was like she was a different person. She was dancing around the living room as if possessed. It’s almost like she knew on a soul level, something was coming.

Monday I took the last of our friends to the airport. I came home and cleaned up some of the party mess.

I was sitting in the living room that night and thinking about the weekend and decided to see what Debbie was up to. So I walked back to our bedroom and into the master bath.

She was lying in the oversized sized bath tub staring at the ceiling with a very strange look on her face.

I set down next to her. She never even turned her head to even look at me. I set there for a moment and knew that something was happening to her and to me.

I felt that maybe there was some issues in her pass, before she even met me that she had not come to terms with.

I don’t why but I brought up that maybe she should get some professional help. That seeing a psychiatrist had helped me and maybe this was something that could help her with things that might be troubling her.

She never said a word and never took her gaze off of the ceiling. It was almost like she was in a trance.

I set there for a couple of minutes and got up and said, “O.K.” and went back to the living room and set there my myselve.

I was there for about ten minutes when she came to the living room wearing a white bath robe and towel wrapped around her hair. She had the same strange look on her face, as she walked over to me.

Not saying a word she kissed me on my cheek. She turned and walked back into the bedroom.

Don’t ask me how I knew, but in that moment I knew our marriage was over.

I set there and knew things would never be the same again. We had crossed over that final line that couples do. I really don’t thing she knew what was coming on a conscience level and this would be our last night together.

It felt like the kiss from Judas. Though she didn’t betray me. It was my religion that betrayed me. She was just the messenger.

The message was good bye, you need to go now.

It was our last kiss.

The next morning she was going camping with some of her friends from Washington. She was having a hard trying to get our car with the Seado attached to it, out of the driveway.

After I got the car situated. She got in and put the car in drive. The window was still rolled down.

Before she could put her foot on the gas I said. “After 27 years don’t you want to at least shake hands or something?”

She put the car in park and got out of the car. We held each other for a few seconds with tears in our eyes. Neither of us said a word.

She jumped back in the car and was gone.

A few days later she called me. She told me that she wouldn’t be coming home until I got my attitude straighten out about the church.

I said. “I can’t do it anymore!”

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Reveal Article, Nov. 16, 2017: Jehovah’s Witnesses’ tab for child sex abuse secrecy: $2M and counting

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https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-tab-for-child-sex-abuse-secrecy-2m-and-counting/.

jehovah's witnesses' tab for child sex abuse secrecy $2m and counting.

by trey bundy / november 16, 2017. .

new boy

Good stuff and I'm putting this information my soon to be published book.

Their stink is raising to the heavens!

I'm sure 99%of all Witnesses don't have any idea about this court ruling.

Wouldn't it be fun to take this letter and tape it to the front door of every Kingdom Hall in the US.

I'm going to keep a copy of this letter for the next time JWs are at my door.

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How To Fade Away Cleanly?

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friends

this is my first post and hopefully i can get some advice and input.

i have been actively involved with the organization for a little over 10 years now.

i began studying in high school, got baptized and my family fortunately did not.

new boy

There are only four ways of leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses. So there are four ways that could lead to shunning. I say “could” because options three and four has some loopholes.

1. You are “dis-fellowshipped.” You commit some kind of sin in the eyes of church. For example you commit “Immorality” meaning you have sex before you are married or you are married and have sex with someone besides your spouse. There are other sins you could commit but these are by far the most popular. You meet with three elders in the local congregation. If they feel you are not repentant enough for your sins, the will expel you from the congregation. Sometimes even if you are repentant enough, they will still expel you anyway. They will do this to make an example of you to others. Or they just don’t like you. It’s a “good old boy country club” and sometimes favoritism comes into play. You could be dis-fellowshipped in one Kingdom hall and just get a slap on the wrist in another for the same offence.

2. You “disassociate” yourself. You send a letter to the local congregation and resign your membership.

If you do the first or second option will be definitely be shunned. You can never again have ANY contact with any of your Jehovah’s Witnesses friends or family. You are dead to them.

3. So you don’t want to do option one or two. In recent years a new way to leave the Witnesses has become popular. It’s call “fading.” This is a tricky one. It’s done by people who don’t want to make a complete break from the occult. Usually because of family members, the thought of not ever talking with their parents, children, siblings and loved ones is more than they can bear. It works just like it sounds. You move away from them slowly. Many times this requires an actual move to a new town or state. You might even tell your family and friends that you are still an active witness but in reality you have moved on to a new life. Others have called this “a double life” This phrase has been coined to describe mostly younger ones, teenagers and young adults who have two different lives. These are kids who are trying to keep their parents happy and will pretend to be a good witness by going to the meetings and out in field service. However on the weekends they will “party down” and act like “worldly” people. Whether you are a “double lifer” or a “fader” the results can be disastrous if caught. You could end up in the “back room” with the three elders telling them your story. This rarely goes well.

4. The fourth and final option is death. For many who couldn’t make the choice from the first three options, have chosen this one. Yes, you can break free with suicide. There was a time when I even considered this option myself. I have known at least a half dozen people who felt this was their only option to leave. As I have said earlier, I personally have contributed to at least two people choosing this way out. Yes, but even dead people can be shunned too. Many witnesses have boycotted their family member’s funerals because they were not in “good standing” in the organization when they died. So for many there is no forgiveness even after your dead. My mother wouldn’t let my father go to his own father’s funeral because it was inside a Catholic church. As Bob Dylan once said “Some of us are prisoners and some of us are guards.”

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Chapter 40 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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chapter 40 .

so doc you can see i’m screwed .

i took her advice and in the spring of 2001 went to a psychiatrists.

new boy

Chapter 40

So Doc you can see I’m screwed

I took her advice and in the spring of 2001 went to a psychiatrists. I had only two sessions with some guy I found in the phone book.

He didn’t say much as I told him about my bizarre fifty year journey as a Jehovah’s Witness. It only took me two hours to tell the story. I don’t think he said a dozen works the whole time, as I just poured my guts out. It was strange indeed because I had never verbalized everything that I went gone through to anyone before in my whole life. He set there with no judgement, as I told him the same story that I have related to you here in this book.

Even though he had no judgement, I couldn’t help but I felt he looked at me as if he was interviewing some kind of alien from a different planet. Hearing the words pour out of my mouth, I totally realized how strange my life must have sounded to a normal, healthy non Witness person. Someone who wasn’t raised with all the fears, judgements and dogma, I had been subjected to.

With him not saying a word, and by my own description of the events of my life I realized for the first time how truly crazy my life had been. How crazy I have been.

Unlike what the society said. “The psychiatrist will try to persuade him that his troubles are caused by his religion.” My psychiatrist never did. He never said a word about my totally dysfunctional religion. He didn’t have to. I could see it in his eyes. We both knew it. I had been living in the twilight zone. For me it seemed very real. For him it was like watching a horror story on television. It was interesting but he was totally disconnected from it all.

At the end of the story, I just sat there. Neither of us speaking a word.

After a couple of minutes, I finally said. “So, Doc as you can see I’m screwed either way, if I stay in the religion or if I leave it… I’m screwed.”

Without any expression on his face he said. “Your right.”

That is the only thing he could say. He wasn’t going tell me what to do. How could he. In the end it would have to be my decision. Either decision would have serious repercussions. He was wise enough to know that it couldn’t be from any suggestion from him.

So I got in my car drove away.

I’m sure the good doctor had a great story to share with his wife that night. “So honey, what do you know about the Jehovah’s Witnesses? I got a story for you. If there is a wackier religion on the planet, I don’t know what it would be?”

When I got home that night, I was the one that looked like a deer in head lights when my JW wife asked me how it went at the psychiatrist office.

“Great honey you were right. I’m all cured, it was my wacky mother after all!”

There are many signs that will tell you when your marriage is doomed.

I believe lying is the number one thing. I don’t care how many more years you are together when the lying starts your days are numbered.

Did I have a choice though? I guess I did, if I had wanted my marriage and JW life to end that night. I wasn’t ready for that just yet but it would be here soon enough.

For years before that I had made the most power prayer a person can make. “Please God send me where I needed to go.” I was basically asking God to tell me what to do next. No, I didn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. I still believed in God. In fact I now consider myself more spiritual now than ever before.

For years, I thought maybe my place was inside their organization because for sure they wouldn’t listen to people who were out of it.

Whether I like it or not I had taken the red pill which of course would free me from the enslaving control the “Borg” like religion. However living the "truth of reality" can be harsh and very difficult also.

On the other hand, I could see how the blue pill with its falsehood and security but most of all the blissful ignorance of the illusion, could be attractive to millions of people too.

There was no way to go back so no blue pill for me anymore.

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chapter 39 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower Slave

by new boy in

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chapter 39. i’m glad i don’t believe the way you do!.

your whole life becomes a blur.

weeks turn into months.

new boy

Chapter 39

I’m glad I don’t believe the way you do!

Your whole life becomes a blur. Weeks turn into months. Months turn into years.

Week after week of meetings. Five meetings a week, thousands of meetings, endless meetings. Jehovah this and Jehovah that. Hurry Jehovah is coming, no time to waste.

There was thousands of hours of knocking on people’s doors trying to tell people that Jehovah is coming. Please join our club. The world is coming to the end club. We are saved and you are screwed club. Please jump on the ark before it’s too late. Time is running out! Hurry there is no time to waste.

No time to be happy now. In the “new system” (another term for their paradise Earth) we can be happy then.

Don’t waste time trying to get a good education or a good job. Those things will not help you when Armageddon comes.

I knew some Jehovah’s Witnesses who never even fixed their teeth. Why should they? The “new system” will be here any day and Jehovah will take care of our teeth. Those Witnesses are now wearing dentures.

Millions of Witnesses with no savings and no retirement. Why should we save money? They will be throwing money in the streets soon.

If you are Jehovah’s Witness the future is the only place happiness can happen. I remember many times being out in field service with Witnesses who were telling me about what mansion they would be living in after Armageddon. Because once god killed the rich home owner, they could easily choose any vacant house they wanted.

Sometimes people at the doors were upset or rude because we knocked on their door trying to sell our religion to them. As we were walking away from the house we would laugh and talk about how the birds would be eating the flesh off their bones one day after Armageddon just as Bible prophesy had foretold. Of course their house would be up for grabs then.

Yes, in the paradise Earth we would all be happy then. After Jehovah finally makes his move.

Something strange happened to me while I was in field service in the late nineteen nineties. A moment that help me realize how weird and strange my life really was. I was going door to door in Tigard Oregon. I rang the doorbell to house, like I have done thousands of times before. How many people have I talked to after forty years of “spreading the good news” who knows?

This door was very different, at least the person behind it was. A pleasant looking blond haired man came to the door. He was in his late thirties and had a slight smile on his face. I launched into my three minute sermon. He just stood there smiling. So I pulled out the “Watchtower and Awake magazines” and show him some stupid article about who knows what. After rambling on for minutes I finally asked him, what he thought. He stood there for a moment then he got a bigger smile on his face and said. “I’m so grateful I don’t believe like you do.” I stood there not knowing what to say. Then he said it again. “I’m so glad I don’t believe like you do.” I had no idea what to say next. He said. “Wait here.” He turned and came back with one of our Watchtowers in his hand. He also had with him what looked like his twelve year old son. Then he opened the watchtower up and read from it. “Your magazine says here. This is your magazine isn’t it?” I nodded yes. “It says here and I quote your magazine. ‘In view of the end times we are living in, it might be wise to not to have children.” So, you see if I believed the same way you and your religion does, I would have never known the pleasure of my son here.” He put his hand on his sons head and smiled at us and said “Good bye.” I’m sure I had a dumb look on my face, I wanted to say something but had nothing to say. He stepped back and shut his door.

I thought to myself he was right. I walked back up his driveway shaking my head. I had spent 40 years of knocking on doors trying to find people who were looking for “The Truth.” Yet he had shown the truth to me. I saw hundreds of things in the organization after 40 years that made no sense what so ever or just wasn’t right but I think in that moment I knew.

I knew I was in a religion that had been wrong and wrong about a lot of things. If I had followed the suggestion in our magazines, I would have never known the pleasure of my children either. There was many years because of indoctrination where I didn’t want to have children at all because I felt the “end” was coming any day way back in the nineteen sixties. I also thought about all those at Bethel who had given up the possibility of having children and families because the end was coming any day thirty years ad forty years earlier.

For many years I thought the people who hadn’t believed what we were telling them for decades were nuts. I put myself for once behind the door I was knocking on. I put myself in the shoes of those we had been preaching to and came to the realization that we were the ones in the Jim Jones compound getting ready to drink the cool aid.

So now what?

My wife was of course raised in this thought system from an early age too. She was the perfect Stepford wife who was taught to never question anything. So when I tried to talk to her about some of the dozens of inconsistencies I had found over the years, she looked at me like a deer in head lights. This is the same look many Witnesses give you when they are asked a logical question about their beliefs.

I was having problems with anger. She was convinced the anger was my unsolved issues with my dead mother. I knew that wasn’t it. I felt like the guy in the movie Thx 1138 when he stopped taking the drugs that made him a drone. I was mad because I stopped taking the crazy pills.Just like in the movie The matrix which pill do you want to take the blue or red pill. Of course each pill will have it's problems.

She even recommended that I should see a psychiatrist. This is very usually and something that the society has looked down on for years. It’s something witnesses will avoid at all cost.

The society has said. “The Christian witnesses of Jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the Earth.” So why on Earth would any good follower need the help of a mental health professional? The society tells about the evils of seeking help from outside their organization.

"As a rule, for a Christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat. It amounts to 'going down to Egypt for help' - Isaiah 31:1. ...Also, more and more psychiatrists are resorting to hypnosis which is a demonic form of worldly wisdom." Awake! 1960 March 8 p. 27

“Often when a Witness of Jehovah goes to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist will try to persuade him that his troubles are caused by his religion, entirely overlooking the fact that the Christian witnesses of Jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the Earth. They have the least need for psychiatrists. Also, more and more psychiatrists are resorting to hypnosis, which is a demonic form of worldly wisdom.” Awake! 1954

Why would the society not want their mentally distressed followers see a psychiatrist? Because they are concerned for the welfare and health of their disciples? No, they don’t care if you are about ready to blow your brains out, because your parents and Aunt Rose are going to die at Armageddon.

What are they worried about then? They state it very clearly. “The psychiatrist will try to persuade him that his troubles are caused by his religion”

Wow, they don’t even blink an eye do they?

Would if this is true? What if your whack job of a religion is creating the grief and distress in your life!

Cool aid anyone?

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